What is the status of 100kW charging?

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Re: What is the status of 100kW charging?

Post by MartijnEV » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:09 am

They do but there seems to be an issue with the CCS2 protocol that has lead to multiple different interpretations of how data messages between car and charger have to be defined. They are fixing this at the moment.
It seems that Audi and Tesla have understood the CCS2 protocol specs right from the start, while Jaguar and ABB didn’t and now have to do some fixes.
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Re: What is the status of 100kW charging?

Post by Chewy » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:30 am

MartijnEV wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:09 am
They do but there seems to be an issue with the CCS2 protocol that has lead to multiple different interpretations of how data messages between car and charger have to be defined. They are fixing this at the moment.
It seems that Audi and Tesla have understood the CCS2 protocol specs right from the start, while Jaguar and ABB didn’t and now have to do some fixes.
I am confident that should Jaguar have had a discussion with Tesla engineers they would have explained how things work.

Tesla has now released ALL its patents, there should be no secrets.
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Re: What is the status of 100kW charging?

Post by Garryjw » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:58 pm

It's great that Tesla are being so open on this and should help on the CCS standard. It should be noted that the iPace and Tesla have different battery management and would have to communicate this differently to the charger.

When I was at the Cenex low carbon vehicle event I was told by an engineer from one of the charging manufacturers (I won't name as I don't want to get him in trouble) that he wouldn't call CCS a standard and in particular the handshake seemed poorly defined with a few examples written by the early signatories to match their vehicles. He didn't seem impressed at all. Hopefully we will start to see some maturity shortly.
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Re: What is the status of 100kW charging?

Post by MartijnEV » Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:40 pm

Thanks Garryjw. See: the issue is that CCS is not really a fully defined standard (yet). Crazy but true... Hope the CCS consortium will fix this issue soon.
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Re: What is the status of 100kW charging?

Post by Pete » Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:27 pm

Anyone gonna drive to Nyborg Denmark? :)
Apparently the first IONITY charger with liquid cooled cables, should be 100kW charging for Ipace.

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Re: What is the status of 100kW charging?

Post by FENorway » Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:41 am

Noone who's doing a roadtrip this weekend and trying to get 100kw?
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Re: What is the status of 100kW charging?

Post by Jelle v/d Meer » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:56 pm

FENorway wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:41 am
Noone who's doing a roadtrip this weekend and trying to get 100kw?
Already did a road trip last night, see post in >100kw along A3 topic. Max speed was 82kW with speed reducing just before 50% SoC. I have car software 15.2 (installed 3 weeks ago). Tried HPC at Ionity and Innogy.
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Re: What is the status of 100kW charging?

Post by Hanssolo » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:01 pm

So, still no improvements on the 100 kW charging front. Lot’s of Dutchies are going to drive to their winter holidays in Switzerland, Austria and France. Prepare to be on the road for longer periods of time.
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Re: What is the status of 100kW charging?

Post by Hanssolo » Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:19 pm

Jelle do you have software service nr. H159 v3?
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Re: What is the status of 100kW charging?

Post by McRat » Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:40 pm

Chewy wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:30 am
MartijnEV wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:09 am
They do but there seems to be an issue with the CCS2 protocol that has lead to multiple different interpretations of how data messages between car and charger have to be defined. They are fixing this at the moment.
It seems that Audi and Tesla have understood the CCS2 protocol specs right from the start, while Jaguar and ABB didn’t and now have to do some fixes.
I am confident that should Jaguar have had a discussion with Tesla engineers they would have explained how things work.

Tesla has now released ALL its patents, there should be no secrets.
Tesla did not start working on CCS compatibility until after >100kW charging was available. Ditto for Audi. Nobody has used Tesla patents that I know of, and I've done work at the eng'g level for Tesla and others. Perhaps the Chinese will?

Tesla does not want CCS infrastructure because it will compete with their network. While Tesla made a CHAdeMO adapter, they deliberately avoided making a CCS adapter or that would encourage DCFC companies to expand their networks faster. CHAdeMO was necessary because it was the biggest network since the Leaf came out 2011, well before Tesla Superchargers.
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