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TomP
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NL to AT

Post by TomP » Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:34 pm

Very sorry for the question as I know this has been discussed in various threads, but always struggle finding the right answer. I’m due to drive from NL to Austria this August and am wondering how easy/difficult it will be in the iPace, with two young kids. Is the ABRP route reliable? This says it will take ~12-13 hours with 6 charging stops (feels like a lot). Any recent experiences? Thanks!

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Re: NL to AT

Post by Koala » Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:24 pm

Good practices for such a trip from my side:

1. Use ABRP and plan for 200-250km legs. Set "Charger Arrival SoC" in ABRP to 15% minimum, to be save 20%, just in case a charging station is out of service or overbooked!

2. Prefer reliable chargers >50KW! As there are: IONITY, Fastnet, EnBW and Innogy are the more reliable brands from my point of view. Allego has mixed results with I-Pace, I would not plan with them as the only option for a charging stop. This is for Germany. For Austria consider Smatrics, they are good as well.

3. Take your time! I-Pace driving is a journey to enjoy - nothing to hurry!

Have a save trip!
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Re: NL to AT

Post by AGT » Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:01 pm

I don’t think that you will have any trouble with that journey. We drove from Ijmuiden to Innsbruck in February using Ionity all of the way except for one Fastned charge at Nersingen. Our total journey time was 13 hours.

I find it difficult to match ABRP journey times as I waste time finding the charger and getting the charge started and then can’t help myself from adding an extra 10% charge just as a safety margin. Which sometimes means that at the next charging stop your starting SOC is higher and so you miss the fastest charging sweet spot.

The only ABRP glitch we had was at Brohtal where the charger was on the other carriageway and we had a time wasting detour. It is always worth double checking that the charger is on your side of the road. Presumably this one has since been corrected in ABRP.

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Re: NL to AT

Post by kermit68 » Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:20 pm

Based on my experience the reference consumption @110 km/h used by ABRP (261 wh/km) is too high. I'm using 246 wh/km (with AC on, no eco, 20" wheels) and I definetly get much reasonable results. With lower temperatures, 20s rather than 30s, even 235 wh/km can be used.
On a trip from NL to AT probably it can improve by 1/2 hour the total travelling time.
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Re: NL to AT

Post by Abu Dhabi Dude » Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:04 pm

kermit68 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:20 pm
Based on my experience the reference consumption @110 km/h used by ABRP (261 wh/km) is too high. I'm using 246 wh/km (with AC on, no eco, 20" wheels) and I definetly get much reasonable results. With lower temperatures, 20s rather than 30s, even 235 wh/km can be used.
On a trip from NL to AT probably it can improve by 1/2 hour the total travelling time.
That’s odd. When I use ABRP with the default Jag settings it comes up as 406 Wh per mile which I think is about 249 per km. that’s much closer to what you’re using. Not sure why it’s producing such a high default setting for you when mine is much lower?

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Re: NL to AT

Post by scm » Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:10 pm

Come on, ADD, we've known for a long time that everything about your car is optimal! ;)

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Re: NL to AT

Post by Jelle v/d Meer » Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:59 pm

Today I drove 821km from Leusden to Passau and my efficiency was better than what I had planned in ABRP.

My initial plan in ABRP was set with 235wh/km efficiency and max speed set at 120km/h - calculated efficiency was 265wh/km and total time 9hr56mins
Following excellent efficiency during a business trip to Germany earlier in the week I made an updated ABRP plan with efficiency set at 230wh/km and max speed at 130km/h - calculated efficiency was 284wh/km and total time 9hr35mins

The actual efficiency was 232wh/km (adjusted for extra km 227wh/km) and total time of 9hr13mins. Whereby driving time was actually 7 minutes longer due to short traffic jam next to all the roadworks but due to far better efficiency charging took 29 minutes less also because I skipped a charging stop, instead of 2x 117km legs I made 1x 234km leg.

Overall average speed including charging came to 89.1km/h - during the 3 charging stops I charged in total 144kwh in 110 minutes.
When I am charging I am also pre-conditioning the battery/car at the same time - it makes the charging stop slightly longer but reduces your consumption when driving and slightly increases the charging speed.
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Re: NL to AT

Post by kermit68 » Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:02 pm

Abu Dhabi Dude wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:04 pm
kermit68 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:20 pm
Based on my experience the reference consumption @110 km/h used by ABRP (261 wh/km) is too high. I'm using 246 wh/km (with AC on, no eco, 20" wheels) and I definetly get much reasonable results. With lower temperatures, 20s rather than 30s, even 235 wh/km can be used.
On a trip from NL to AT probably it can improve by 1/2 hour the total travelling time.
That’s odd. When I use ABRP with the default Jag settings it comes up as 406 Wh per mile which I think is about 249 per km. that’s much closer to what you’re using. Not sure why it’s producing such a high default setting for you when mine is much lower?
I think the difference is due to the fact that in ABRP metric reference is @110 km/h while imperial reference is @65 mph that are "only" 104,6 km/h
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Re: NL to AT

Post by Abu Dhabi Dude » Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:07 pm

kermit68 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:02 pm

I think the difference is due to the fact that in ABRP metric reference is @110 km/h while imperial reference is @65 mph that are "only" 104,6 km/h
That would account for some of it, but 261 is much higher than that. It seems odd. It may be that they’ve updated the model of course and that is the new default figure. I haven’t been using it with a default number for a few weeks now, so it’s possible that it’s changed.

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Re: NL to AT

Post by Abu Dhabi Dude » Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:08 pm

scm wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:10 pm
Come on, ADD, we've known for a long time that everything about your car is optimal! ;)
Haha! You obviously haven’t watched my ChargePlace Scotland videos! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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