100kW charging: It’s a joke

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Jelle v/d Meer
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Re: 100kW charging: It’s a joke

Post by Jelle v/d Meer » Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:03 pm

Captain.Plummet wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 3:11 pm
Abu Dhabi Dude wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:50 pm
Tesla Bjorn did a video recently comparing 4 EVs’ charging speeds. He charged all 4 to 90% from roughly 10%. The iPace was slower than the model 3 to 90%. It wasn’t particularly close from what I remember. I love my car and would never buy a Tesla but I don’t think it serves anyone well to misrepresent the facts. The iPace is slower at charging in almost every real world situation than the Model 3. It makes up for this (in my opinion) in many other areas, but I don’t think it’s reasonable to state that the iPace charges to 90% as quickly as a model 3. Maybe on a 50 kw charger that’s true!
I looked that up on YouTube and it seems to support my comments. If you charge to 90% the I Pace does pretty well charge time/range. I charged alongside an Etron at an IONITY charger earlier this week. The Etron spent 5 minutes less at the charger than I did but the driver said he expected no more than 170 miles from a full charge. That means no more than 150 miles range from en route chargers unless waiting for 90% plus levels of charge, which is longer than the I Pace takes and I get about 215 miles usable from 90% SOC. 6E8D6D2B-CE07-4F7D-87E8-988A308C34D5.png
Chart shows charging speed (in km range added) for the different levels of SoC %. The higher the faster range is added - as SoC % goes up all cars are showing a reduction in speed.

The chart is not reflection of time - seeing the lines near each other at 90% should be read that when at 90% SoC all cars add adding similar amount of km of range (M3 less kWh than I-pace however M3 can get further on 1 kWh => same km range added).
Getting to 90% is a different story - the model 3 and E-tron 55 are getting to 90% is about half the time it takes the I-pace.
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SeanM1
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Re: 100kW charging: It’s a joke

Post by SeanM1 » Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:08 pm

Let’s look at some other facts too.

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Re: 100kW charging: It’s a joke

Post by endoman » Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:12 pm

So I didn't drive 200 miles on the motorway at 70mph and arrive home with 20% charge left then.....
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Re: 100kW charging: It’s a joke

Post by dernotte » Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:55 pm

The problem with those "tests", you never know what the conditions are : eco-comfort-dynamic mode ? 22"-20"-18" tires ? with or without H264/H280, external temperature, with or without A/C, etc... Are all tests done the same day , on the same road, same temperature, same wind, etc... ?
In summer time, at 70mph, with H264/H280, 20" reasonnable A/C, you can easily have a consumption of 21-22kw/100km, which means you can do almost 400km with a 86kw battery. I don't get that 188miles...

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Re: 100kW charging: It’s a joke

Post by ghost » Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:50 pm

I think 21-22 kWh/100 km in constant 70 miles (112 km/h, or 117 kWh/t by instrument) will be a stretch.
I do get less than 20 kWh/100 km when driving at constant 90 km/h, but the consumption increases rapidly from there.
My guess will be 24 kWh/100 km with my HSE on a round-trip with insignificant wind condition in 20+ C outside temperature. This will give you less than 350 km range (still more than 188 miles though).

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Re: 100kW charging: It’s a joke

Post by Delta5 » Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:05 pm

In practice you don’t average 70mph to do that you need to cruise at 80 plus. I aim to cruise at 70 pulling in to allow fast traffic past and get 35kw/100ml (20kw/100km.
On a 200ml trip Monday, Started with 245 ml ended with 51 ml , plus 12 kw regen, better than expected. It’s not charging speed or range that is a problem to me, it’s chargers out of action. Out of 7 rapid chargers close to my destination 5 had issues, of the remaining 2 only one accepted my card, this lottery really must be sorted
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Re: 100kW charging: It’s a joke

Post by Abu Dhabi Dude » Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:16 pm

Captain.Plummet wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 3:11 pm

I looked that up on YouTube and it seems to support my comments. If you charge to 90% the I Pace does pretty well charge time/range. I charged alongside an Etron at an IONITY charger earlier this week. The Etron spent 5 minutes less at the charger than I did but the driver said he expected no more than 170 miles from a full charge. That means no more than 150 miles range from en route chargers unless waiting for 90% plus levels of charge, which is longer than the I Pace takes and I get about 215 miles usable from 90% SOC. 6E8D6D2B-CE07-4F7D-87E8-988A308C34D5.png
Your statement was that the Jag could get to 340 km of range as quickly as a Model 3. All the evidence suggests that is not true.

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Re: 100kW charging: It’s a joke

Post by Wasabi Pea » Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:41 am

ghost wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 8:01 am
Rbrandwijk wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:50 pm

TCU 19.2 is out!
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Did you get 19.2 as a SOTA update or at a delear ?
I have the same question. My I-Pace is on TCU version 18.2, with BECS version BP-AAE-BC-AC-BE. Checking for update says it's up to date but I don't have the 4 squares going around like I do with the infotainment software update checks. This, also with my BCCM having just been replaced at the dealership 3 weeks ago.
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Re: 100kW charging: It’s a joke

Post by RobN » Fri Aug 28, 2020 10:12 am

Abu Dhabi Dude wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:45 am
CaptainJAG wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:46 pm

Bottle neck in the I-Pace might get the battery cooling during charging ... we will see... will be a nice update to get 120kw end of the year for christmas.
The bottle neck in the iPace is actually down to the warranty terms that were negotiated with LGChem. Those have now been renegotiated, allowing JLR to increase charging speed. MY21 will be able to charge at 120 kw peak, and a software update is anticipated to enable the same speed in pre-MY21 models. I have no timetable for that, but it will be after the rollout of TCU 19.2 as that is a pre-requisite for BECM SOTA update.
That's great news! Hopefully will resolve a real blemish on an otherwise outstanding car IMHO. Let's hope the update is before the bad winter weather too.

Best, Rob
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Re: 100kW charging: It’s a joke

Post by RobN » Fri Aug 28, 2020 10:27 am

Wasabi Pea wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:41 am
ghost wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 8:01 am
Rbrandwijk wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:50 pm

TCU 19.2 is out!
9F169389-0206-444C-8E6B-EB62330DFB49.jpeg
Did you get 19.2 as a SOTA update or at a delear ?
I have the same question. My I-Pace is on TCU version 18.2, with BECS version BP-AAE-BC-AC-BE. Checking for update says it's up to date but I don't have the 4 squares going around like I do with the infotainment software update checks. This, also with my BCCM having just been replaced at the dealership 3 weeks ago.
Ditto! Same question was the 19.2 update OTA or visit to dealer?

I'm still on 16.2 but getting OTA updates for Infotainment (recently went to S20B1), so can I assume I'll also get OTA for Telematics?

Best, Rob
SE MY20 Corris Grey, 20” wheels, oyster leather 10 way seats, panoramic roof, black trim + privacy glass + 7kWh Podpoint & ICE XK8 Conv 1996 (Jag owner/enthusiast since 1994 :D )

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