100kW charging: It’s a joke

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Rbrandwijk
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100kW charging: It’s a joke

Post by Rbrandwijk » Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:23 am

After having the car for 1,5 year (with 56000km driven), my conclusion is that the I Pace can not charge at a speed of 100kW. JLR promised is that from 0 to 80% charging will take 40 minutes, which is totally misleading! Yes, the first two minutes will be 100 kW, however, it drops quickly to 80 kW. The bandwidth in which the I Pace can charge at 100 kW is so narrow that in reality this I’ll never happen.

Don’t get my wrong, I love the car but I hate to be misleading.

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Re: 100kW charging: It’s a joke

Post by Maxwell_400 » Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:31 am

MY21 is advertised with 100kW charging and as it is the same battery pack as MY20 any improvement should trickle down to our cars. Or maybe the misleading marketing will be on MY21 as well.
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Re: 100kW charging: It’s a joke

Post by Rbrandwijk » Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:34 am

Maxwell_400 wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:31 am
MY21 is advertised with 100kW charging and as it is the same battery pack as MY20 any improvement should trickle down to our cars. Or maybe the misleading marketing will be on MY21 as well.
As far as I know, MY21 will have a different battery pack (Samsung).

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Re: 100kW charging: It’s a joke

Post by fa147 » Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:05 am

Rbrandwijk wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:34 am
Maxwell_400 wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:31 am
MY21 is advertised with 100kW charging and as it is the same battery pack as MY20 any improvement should trickle down to our cars. Or maybe the misleading marketing will be on MY21 as well.
As far as I know, MY21 will have a different battery pack (Samsung).
Ohhh the insult to injury... first the MY2021 will have the new Pivi Pro infotainment, which we can't get, then it will also have the ClearSight rear facing camera for the mirror and now the battery pack has changed and 100kw charging (maybe) a more realistic possibility... ohhh. it hurts for us MY2019/2020 owners...
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Re: 100kW charging: It’s a joke

Post by FENorway » Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:18 pm

I just can't believe that well educated engineers sat round the table with LG Chem and accepted the charging curve on the current i-pace. Did they really think it was good enough? Or didn't they know what the competitors came up with? Or was it simply the only chance to get batteries at all and make it to the market at schedule?
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Re: 100kW charging: It’s a joke

Post by Jelle v/d Meer » Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:29 pm

FENorway wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:18 pm
I just can't believe that well educated engineers sat round the table with LG Chem and accepted the charging curve on the current i-pace. Did they really think it was good enough? Or didn't they know what the competitors came up with? Or was it simply the only chance to get batteries at all and make it to the market at schedule?
Jaguar's view: we already made our money - why spend extra money improving/developing software to optimize DC charging speed and additionally run the risk of having to replace degraded batteries by trying to deliver the promised DC charging speed.

Reality is Jaguar screwed us, is not willing to admit they made mistakes (fear of having to pay compensation) and is doing very little to make improvements for existing owners.
I have given up hope of any further efficiency or BMS improvements being made for MY2019 I-pace nor that infotainment system will get any quicker - for me on average it is 30-40 seconds for music to start playing and another 30-40 seconds before I can use navigation.
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Re: 100kW charging: It’s a joke

Post by bradtipp » Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:55 pm

Leasing.... At this point in the lifecycle for electric vehicles (still very early and on a steep curve) Leasing stops you 'buying into' yesterdays technology. You lease for 2 or 3 years and then take the new version with all the updates...

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Re: 100kW charging: It’s a joke

Post by Crazymind » Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:57 am

The 45 minute charge promise is misleading.
At the same time I think we bought our I-pace not because of that. I wouldn’t bother too much about that at this stage.

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Re: 100kW charging: It’s a joke

Post by FENorway » Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:57 am

Crazymind wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:57 am
The 45 minute charge promise is misleading.
At the same time I think we bought our I-pace not because of that. I wouldn’t bother too much about that at this stage.
They promised 40 minutes from 0-80% which is 101,7kw on average.

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Re: 100kW charging: It’s a joke

Post by ghost » Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:46 am

To be fair with JLR. 0-80% is not 80% of 84.75 kWh, but a bit less due to the buffer below 0%. Not that is make a huge difference. 0-80% in 40 minutes means a steady charging power of around 100 kW net into the battery. Added to that you will need to add some losses so my guess is that the car needs to take a few extra kW.

I expect JLR to reach an agreement wrt battery guaranties with LG so a better charge curve can be applied. It's probably all about money. I had expected this to be sorted out by now. Maybe we will need to take legal actions to move this ahead.

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