Range over Pennines?

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How much range left after 120 miles at 70mph over the Pennines

Poll runs till Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:54 pm

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mdc124
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Range over Pennines?

Post by mdc124 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:54 pm

Anyone any idea what sort of a hit driving from North Yorkshire to Blackpool on the M62 over the Pennines is going to take?

Any guesses for what's going to be left in the tank after 120 miles at 70mph with a 3000 ft climb in it? 20%, 30% if I'm lucky?

Place your bets and I'll update you after the weekend.

(fingers crossed the fast charger is working when I get there, I'm coming back the same night (hopefully))
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Re: Range over Pennines?

Post by Abu Dhabi Dude » Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:51 pm

mdc124 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:54 pm
Anyone any idea what sort of a hit driving from North Yorkshire to Blackpool on the M62 over the Pennines is going to take?

Any guesses for what's going to be left in the tank after 120 miles at 70mph with a 3000 ft climb in it? 20%, 30% if I'm lucky?

Place your bets and I'll update you after the weekend.

(fingers crossed the fast charger is working when I get there, I'm coming back the same night (hopefully))
Not sure where exactly. North Yorkshire is a big place! But Whitby to Blackpool tower according to ABRP will get you there with 24% if you drive at 70 on the motorway. But that’s 144 miles so probably further than your location? That’s also assuming dry roads and no wind.

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Re: Range over Pennines?

Post by ChrisMc » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:28 am

mdc124 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:54 pm
Anyone any idea what sort of a hit driving from North Yorkshire to Blackpool on the M62 over the Pennines is going to take?

Any guesses for what's going to be left in the tank after 120 miles at 70mph with a 3000 ft climb in it? 20%, 30% if I'm lucky?

Place your bets and I'll update you after the weekend.

(fingers crossed the fast charger is working when I get there, I'm coming back the same night (hopefully))
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I've done it many times, but it really depends on where in NY you are talking about, without that info anything I post will be useless. When I go from just North of Blackpool to Pontefract I can get there and most of the way back, (probably could just about do both ways if I really tried hard) that's around 190 miles, and that's virtually all motorway, However, as most times I set off are early morning, I usually stop for a coffee/breakfast on the M62 and top the car up at Birch services East bound, (Ecotricity the only one I have got to work) with about 30 minutes top up, I get back home with 10 - 15%, so I reckon you will need to top up somewhere with about 15% - 20%, but again, it depends on where you are starting and finishing and total mileage.

Just noticed you said it was 120 miles, I assume then that is one way? so yes you will need to top up on the way back, or way there, or destination depends what suits.
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Re: Range over Pennines?

Post by Jelle v/d Meer » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:31 am

Can we have some more info like expected temperature, rain/dry, wind conditions, your driving style, AC on/off, alone or full car + luggage.

Based on 20 degrees, no rain/wind, alone in the car with AC off and normal driving style the 120 miles on flat road should consume approx 46kW (385wh/mile) and then maybe add 1kw per 100meter climb that would be 55kW / 80kW rounded up would be 70% used so arrival with 30%.
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Re: Range over Pennines?

Post by Paulsouthport » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:50 am

Been over the Pennines several times. What goes up must come down and there’s a lot of regen to be had on the down section.
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Re: Range over Pennines?

Post by mdc124 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:52 am

Jelle v/d Meer wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:31 am
Can we have some more info like expected temperature, rain/dry, wind conditions, your driving style, AC on/off, alone or full car + luggage.
This is Northern England in the summer, So, in order...

10C, Lashing down, howling side wind, like a lunatic, the wife is in the car (24+oC), family of 4 + dog

I didn't realise how difficult a question it was to answer, was just looking for anyone's actual experience (so thanks @ChrisMc too)
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Re: Range over Pennines?

Post by mdc124 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:54 am

Paulsouthport wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:50 am
Been over the Pennines several times. What goes up must come down and there’s a lot of regen to be had on the down section.
I was planning on low-regen and encouraging a bit of coasting on the way down - did you find it works well on the descent then?

I've only driven in low regen so far, will be doing a month of high regen after this run to see if it makes much difference to me
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Re: Range over Pennines?

Post by pqr » Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:02 am

I suppose that the energy used climbing should be released on the descent, so the overall effect should not be too significant. A friend who has toured the Lake District in a BMW i3 tells me that he enjoyed watching the car regenerate most of the electricity used climbing on the way back down.

On a related note, I am hoping to visit a village in the Swiss Alps next month. It's at 1800m and the last town before the 25km climb is at 800m. My back-of-envelope calculations suggest that the increase in potential energy raising 3 tonnes through 1000m will be about 30 megajoules or 8 kWh. It will be interesting to see how that is reflected in the state of the battery.
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Re: Range over Pennines?

Post by Paulsouthport » Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:22 am

I stick to high regen, you get a reasonable return on energy and it’s easy to regulate with the throttle to, effectively, coast down hills

My last trip Halifax to Liverpool, not quite your journey but similar, averages 29.9kWh/100miles, despite the elevation changes, 3up and air con on
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Re: Range over Pennines?

Post by anupanu » Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:50 am

Love this question, its a journey I do quite often, but never on the M62.
It would also be interesting to find out whether reducing the mileage by approximately 20% by going over the tops, which brings average speed down and adds just 3% to journey time would make a significant difference to consumption.
Sadly no IPace to test my theory...

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