Goshdarnit wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:16 am
Chewy wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:29 am
Sorry got to disagree on the £3,500 rebate for the wealthy.
If you can afford to pay £70,000 for a car you don’t need incentives that take money away from those that need it.
30,000 Porsche Taycan orders at over £100,000 each would still have been placed without any incentive. Hundreds of thousands of small diesels off the road will make a difference. Drop the incentive for those above £30,000k and pro-rata the incentive below there to get more people to buy EVs.
I really do disagree. Value for money matters no matter how much you have. In my case for example, the £4,500 grant cut my I-Pace to about £3,000 more than the Audi RS5 I was considering. £3,000 more is easy to justify. £7,500 more is quite a difference. I personally was so determined to go BEV that I would probably still have bought the I-Pace. But for a lot of people it becomes a lot harder to justify. Not everyone is so committed and will at the end of the day make a value judgment. The grant is about enticing people into EVs and trying to get EVERYONE to choose them. The incentive needs to be there for everyone to bring prices closer to parity. If you got rid of the grant for all Tesla cars I would strongly suggest their sales would tank. At the prices you’re talking about not a single Tesla would qualify. Many people are really stretching themselves to go green and that grant makes a difference to those people.
Also, how would you calculate a pro-rata reallocation? How many BEVs will sell this year? How many will be luxury BEVs? Divide one by the other and even if you could magically know the numbers it ends up being tiny because you’re dividing a small number by a big one. It’s similar to the argument about dividing CEO pay rises amongst the staff. For one man it’s a lot. But divided between everyone else it’s about £10 a month. Yes there may be 30,000 reservations for the Taycan but unless they’re all from the U.K. that has zero bearing on the U.K. grant.
But then, you bought an ICE so what do you know anyway?
So your choice was between a £60,000 car and £70,000 car - what a laugh. Then don’t buy the car - buy one YOU can afford. There is much better use that the £3,500 given to those that can drive around in £70,000 cars can be put to. If you just wanted an EV then buy a second hand EV that you can afford.
Even one person in the UK getting a grant for a Taycan is a crime.
Yes, some incentives, but not for those really expensive cars and not as much either.
And you think an extra £10 a month is not going to make a difference to low paid workers? Clearly you live in a different world to me.
I guess I am alone on this one.
Oh and I bought an ICE, what has that to do with anything?
I have purchased two new EVs in my time, including the I-Pace. I don’t shout about it, but with both the Leaf and I-Pace I donated the full amount of the rebates to a local children’s charity.
The four other EVs I have owned were as used cars, so no rebate was given. No need to lecture me on buying an ICE car.
You all have to really get your heads around the fact that giving someone £3,500 to buy a £70,000 car, makes no difference if it is ICE or EV, is just plain and simple wrong.