100kw+ charging in the future?

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100kw+ charging in the future?

Post by Buzzer » Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:35 am

While I was getting my H228 update done I spoke to the technician, he had just come back from a training course on an i-Pace hardware update to support faster charging. He did mention it was quite involved. I suppose it's a case of watching this space.
Anyone else heard about this?
not much use in the UK yet but next year hopefully there will be many more 100kw+ chargers.
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Re: 100kw+ charging in the future?

Post by Chewy » Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:02 am

Quite a few on the forum would argue that they need to sort out the 100kW charging capability first :shock:


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Re: 100kw+ charging in the future?

Post by Baikar » Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:06 am

You said it, JLR can’t even sort what they have promised new owners currently.


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Re: 100kw+ charging in the future?

Post by HardBoil » Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:28 pm

All I'm going to say is this 100KW charging rocks!

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Re: 100kw+ charging in the future?

Post by DougTheMac » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:08 pm

HardBoil wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:28 pm
All I'm going to say is this 100KW charging rocks!
But 94% per hour is around 80kW, yes, a lot better than 50kW but a long way short of 100kW!
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Re: 100kw+ charging in the future?

Post by Pseudonym » Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:49 am

Charging my car at an 80kW charger from EVgo right now. The charger delivered 39.2 kW in 30 minutes which works out to a sustained 78.4 kW. Started at 7% battery.

Not 100kW but like the fact I was over 50% and apparently hadn’t started to throttle down yet. Will stop at 80% and report back.


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Re: 100kw+ charging in the future?

Post by fa147 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:59 am

Although most of us will do most of our charging at home, but public charging still needs to be at high speeds to enable electrification to be taken up by more and more people. I watched a video on E for Electric Youtube channel last week where Jay Leno said for new tech/thing to win over the old, it can't just be as good as, it has to be much better... That exactly what the electric car has had to be thus far... better...

Currently ICE people are still in the mind set of "how long does it take to charge when you pull up to a service station"... and... lets face it, we all talk about needing to take a break when you are travelling 200 miles and even at 50kwh charging, a 30-45 minute break will give you enough charge to carry on... but this is all far behind Tesla Super Chargers. This is why Tesla has such a commanding lead. The better the charging infrastructure, the more people buy the cars. The more cars purchased, the more money the company makes, the more it can invest in service centres, staff, training infrastructure, good software, new developments etc.. .etc....

I am surprised Jaguar hasn't agreed to Elon's proposal of being able to use Tesla Superchargers and lead the rest of the pack. It needs to do something to keep surviving...
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Re: 100kw+ charging in the future?

Post by TeslaDriver » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:32 am

This ^^^^ :)

I wouldn't consider anything other than Tesla at present ... but I am out-of-range a couple of days a month. For anyone who stays within range most of the time that's moot of course.

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120+kW (up to, say, 70%. To 80% not much slower ... above that "move on and find a charger later in journey")
Always stalls available ... obviously that isn't realistic, but for me at UK Supercharger I've only had to wait once in three years ... and that was for all of 5 minutes - with 10 stalls and 40 minute (probably less) dwell time the turnover rate is high of course

I'm disappointed that Ionity is installing so few stalls ... obviously they need to make money on Charging - not spread it across the whole Battery-EV-Charging business model. But government could do some sort of "partnership deal" to pump-prime (sorry!) lots of stalls at each site.

The other option is bigger batteries. Latest Tesla would change my twice-a-month charging to nearer to once-a-year ... so maybe we will only need a modest number of road-charging locations even for a much bigger fleet (with larger batteries).

Still need plenty of in-town chargers for folk with no off road parking / home charging.


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Re: 100kw+ charging in the future?

Post by NightFox » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:50 am

I think one problem with the "bigger batteries" response is that - in your example - if the battery size is sufficient that you'd only need to charge away from home once a year, then that would mean you're lugging around more battery weight than you need for 364 (or whatever) days of the year. Sure, it's a solution, but I don't think it's the right one. That's got to be changing the mindset of drivers away from their ICE refuelling strategies, which will come slowly over time but right now needs to be achieved through education and I don't know how you go about achieving that apart from trickle-feed through word of mouth.
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Re: 100kw+ charging in the future?

Post by HardBoil » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:55 am

DougTheMac wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:08 pm
HardBoil wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:28 pm
All I'm going to say is this 100KW charging rocks!
But 94% per hour is around 80kW, yes, a lot better than 50kW but a long way short of 100kW!
I wasn't looking at it all the way thought, I'm sure it went up and down from that number.

The overall experience even at 80KW was great,

nice charging area
the charger worked first go no fuss
lazy breakfast and bathroom breaks
charged to 100% in what seemed a relatively short period of time
also the slow down between 80% and 100% was much less than I was expecting
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