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#1 ·
Just to break this out from the videos thread to a more sensible separate one for any more range discussion/debate:

johnd said:
Yes, certainly, what we're talking about is the range of 0-100% available battery capacity, whether that's 84kW, 90kW or whatever. The bit in your previous post that I'm not understanding is:

Tophe74 said:
...100% to 0% 10% then charging back to 100%...
I'm guessing there's a hyphen missing? Maybe you mean 0% to 10% (0%-10%), or maybe typically not wishing to drop below say 5% available capacity, except in event of emergency or miscalculation? In which case, yes I agree completely. So, to rewind my point:

Whatever range 0-100% of available battery capacity equates to, then you might typically only have eg 94-95% of that maximum range as routinely usable range, because (i) a limited charging period might have reached say only 98% rather than 100% AND you might prefer not to drop below 4-5% indicated range when you reach home or your recharging destination.

So, based on the figures currently available, routine range looks like 190-195 miles or thereabouts or say 300-320km in round numbers.
Tophe74 said:
No i mean i use battery from 100% to 0 - 10% almost every days.
There's another (slightly wooden but apparently official) JLR video snippet at:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLzxswS1I2A

which seems to say three things:

1. Expected range is 240 miles

2. The car can take as long to charge from 80 to 100% as from 0 to 80%.

3. It can charge on 7kW to 80% in 10 hours and to 100% in 13 hours. (Actually it's a little tricky to tell whether it's a UK or US video, it's flagged as uploaded by JLR USA but perhaps the information is UK sourced?? But I'm guessing it's referring to a 7kW AC charger?)

Fairly obviously, [2] and [3] seem to be at odds with one another. Anyone care to suggest which one is more correct?
 
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#729 ·
mdi-ispace said:
Why you barely can't use the I-Pace for long distance drives (600km+) like you can with a Tesla model S.

This weekend I drove back home from Billund Denmark to the Netherlands a journey 600km long mainly on German highways. The average speed is about 100km due to many 80 and even 60 km road constructions. With a fuel car it would take you about 7 hours including a one hour stop. It took me 13 hours with frustration levels going through the roof and nearly stranded at one of the Ionity fast chargers.
So sorry to hear of your troubles but thank you for sharing your experiences. Very concerned hearing about the problems with Ionity chargers - that really shouldn't be the case - certainly because CCS is suppose to be an industry standard, so should not have any problems with specific cars although I wouldn't put it passed Jaguar to have screwed something up, so far Jaguar has proven to be poor at technology.
 
#730 ·
My experience so far is that there is a huge difference in consumption with my i-Pace between a trip departure pre-heated versus a non pre-heated departure, measured over a 100 km journey, similar driving style and speed.
 
#731 ·
MartijnEV said:
My experience so far is that there is a huge difference in consumption with my i-Pace between a trip departure pre-heated versus a non pre-heated departure, measured over a 100 km journey, similar driving style and speed.
I'm also on 20's, still with summer tires. Pre-heating helps, but I don't do that always and it sure doesn't explain the 20% difference. Maybe winter tires have a negative impact on efficiency?
 
#734 ·
Then my bet is small car differences, different driving styles and different tires (rolling resistance) since you are on 20's both of you.
Also if adaptive cruise , lane assist and other features are on that could cause it?

Both of you have air suspensions ? Pano roof, hmm, doubt the difference is big but panoramic could also cause a weight and clima factor ofc...
 
#736 ·
mdi-ispace wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:19 pm
Why you barely can't use the I-Pace for long distance drives (600km+) like you can with a Tesla model S.

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Thanks for this detailed report, mdi-ispace. It sounds like a little nightmare. I will definitely use the car for driving the alps to go skiing&ski-touring because it will replace all of my ICE cars. Obviously there's a lot of planning in advance necessary for doing such road trips. I'm really excited how this will work out for me :? :) ...

Will try trip to Switzerland this Saturday. With 2 adults, lots of luggage, an young dog and probably a roof-box. Reading experiences this far it might be quitte of a challenge. I hope to arrive saturday night, so I can make a detailed post on Sunday :shock:
 
#737 ·
dr.tube said:
mdi-ispace wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:19 pm
Why you barely can't use the I-Pace for long distance drives (600km+) like you can with a Tesla model S.

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Thanks for this detailed report, mdi-ispace. It sounds like a little nightmare. I will definitely use the car for driving the alps to go skiing&ski-touring because it will replace all of my ICE cars. Obviously there's a lot of planning in advance necessary for doing such road trips. I'm really excited how this will work out for me :? :) ...

Will try trip to Switzerland this Saturday. With 2 adults, lots of luggage, an young dog and probably a roof-box. Reading experiences this far it might be quitte of a challenge. I hope to arrive saturday night, so I can make a detailed post on Sunday :shock:
Very useful reports indeed. Also looking forward to your report this weekend as we are planning a skiing holiday to austria (870km) this chrismas (with loaded car and roofbox). Seriously thinking about leaving a day early with an overnight stay.
 
#738 ·
dr.tube said:
mdi-ispace wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:19 pm
Why you barely can't use the I-Pace for long distance drives (600km+) like you can with a Tesla model S.

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Thanks for this detailed report, mdi-ispace. It sounds like a little nightmare. I will definitely use the car for driving the alps to go skiing&ski-touring because it will replace all of my ICE cars. Obviously there's a lot of planning in advance necessary for doing such road trips. I'm really excited how this will work out for me :? :) ...

Will try trip to Switzerland this Saturday. With 2 adults, lots of luggage, an young dog and probably a roof-box. Reading experiences this far it might be quitte of a challenge. I hope to arrive saturday night, so I can make a detailed post on Sunday :shock:
Travelling to Switzerland if the Ionity chargers work should be relative straightforward presuming you take A61, A5 to Switzerland. For various Europe trips I looked on Fastned, Ionity and https://www.goingelectric.de/stromtankstellen/ to see where chargers are and list them that were on my way. See below what I pulled together for trip from Tilburg to Lago Maggiore in Italy.
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#739 ·
Jelle v/d Meer said:
dr.tube said:
mdi-ispace wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:19 pm
Why you barely can't use the I-Pace for long distance drives (600km+) like you can with a Tesla model S.

...
Thanks for this detailed report, mdi-ispace. It sounds like a little nightmare. I will definitely use the car for driving the alps to go skiing&ski-touring because it will replace all of my ICE cars. Obviously there's a lot of planning in advance necessary for doing such road trips. I'm really excited how this will work out for me :? :) ...

Will try trip to Switzerland this Saturday. With 2 adults, lots of luggage, an young dog and probably a roof-box. Reading experiences this far it might be quitte of a challenge. I hope to arrive saturday night, so I can make a detailed post on Sunday :shock:
Travelling to Switzerland if the Ionity chargers work should be relative straightforward presuming you take A61, A5 to Switzerland. For various Europe trips I looked on Fastned, Ionity and https://www.goingelectric.de/stromtankstellen/ to see where chargers are and list them that were on my way. See below what I pulled together for trip from Tilburg to Lago Maggiore in Italy.
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Nice ride, with plenty of fast charging points.
 
#742 ·
Max69 said:
MartijnEV said:
Fully charged during the night, pre-heated in the morning, 349 km when leaving this morning.
Not bad.
Believe you didn't reset it by pressing simultaneously the gas and brake pedal for 10-15 sec? It will reset the range and should be higher than your 349km.
No I didn't reset it, so this is truly achievable range, with normal driving style.
 
#743 ·
Maybe a stupid question. But since I am also driving to Switserland next week and never used a fast charger :| yet. Does anybody has experience how long charging will take? I am still on version 13.2, (but i have also read that 14.2 doesn't change anything in chargespeed) and wondering how long I should plan for charging.

Below the table of the fast cargepoints I found, and also the distance between them.
Since I only need to charge +/- 160km each time, I hope I could count on +/- 35min charging every stop... Or is that to enthusiastic :)

- 4 x CCS 150 kW 1 u. 39 min. (167 km)
- 3 x CCS 175 kW 1 u. 50 min. (183 km)
- 4 x CCS 350 kW 1 u. 33 min. (160 km)
- 4 x CCS 350 kW 1 u. 8 min. (116 km)
- 2 x CCS 100 kW 2 u. 5 min. (197 km)

Since I dont have any experience with this at all, any rough indications is more then welcome...
 
#744 ·
Flip said:
Maybe a stupid question. But since I am also driving to Switserland next week and never used a fast charger :| yet. Does anybody has experience how long charging will take? I am still on version 13.2, (but i have also read that 14.2 doesn't change anything in chargespeed) and wondering how long I should plan for charging.

Below the table of the fast cargepoints I found, and also the distance between them.
Since I only need to charge +/- 160km each time, I hope I could count on +/- 35min charging every stop... Or is that to enthusiastic :)

- 4 x CCS 150 kW 1 u. 39 min. (167 km)
- 3 x CCS 175 kW 1 u. 50 min. (183 km)
- 4 x CCS 350 kW 1 u. 33 min. (160 km)
- 4 x CCS 350 kW 1 u. 8 min. (116 km)
- 2 x CCS 100 kW 2 u. 5 min. (197 km)

Since I dont have any experience with this at all, any rough indications is more then welcome...
You are optimistic because the charge rate will decrease when the state of charge reaches 80%
 
#745 ·
A couple of thoughts.

Be prepared for one of those stations not working right ... have a backup nearby.
You have pretty short segments. Why not do 200-250 km each, especially on the first leg? That would get you to ca. 15-25% charge left, then spend ~45 min charging on 80kW to get you to 80-90% (at which point your charging rate is dropping dramatically).
 
#746 ·
sciencegeek said:
A couple of thoughts.

Be prepared for one of those stations not working right ... have a backup nearby.
You have pretty short segments. Why not do 200-250 km each, especially on the first leg? That would get you to ca. 15-25% charge left, then spend ~45 min charging on 80kW to get you to 80-90% (at which point your charging rate is dropping dramatically).
Thx. Great tip. I Will try to reschedule my stations a bid indeed.
 
#750 ·
mjc said:
30% to 70% SoC in just over 15 minutes? Outstanding!

Almost 400A charging sounds quite scary though.
"JLR, can you hear me? I want that too"
Right now the e-tron seems far more attractive than the Jag. Audi is actually deliever what they've promised.
 
#751 ·
FENorway said:
mjc said:
30% to 70% SoC in just over 15 minutes? Outstanding!

Almost 400A charging sounds quite scary though.
"JLR, can you hear me? I want that too"
Right now the e-tron seems far more attractive than the Jag. Audi is actually deliever what they've promised.
We'd all like that as well. But do we need it and are we willing to pay for it?
AFAIK, you need to go to an 800v electrical system for > 150kW charging.

Audi is clearly benefitting from the work done by Porsche. Jaguar is a minnow when compared to VAG. The first Tesla Model S had lots of faults and required a long time to get it right. Now that there is starting to be reasonable numbers of I-Pace's on the road the feedback from drivers will get these addressed sooner rather than later.
 
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