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Overnight charging advice

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Hi,

I picked up a new ipace this week and loving it. I have one question on overnight charging which hopefully someone help with.

I have a Wallbox Pulsar Plus which I schedule to run from 1am-8am for offpeak rate. The Wallbox app shows this OK and says charging "On hold" so looks correct.

I haven't set any times in the car or car app. When I leave the car in the evening, I connect it to the charger, and it says "Initialising". However the car doesn't charge overnight and when I check in the morning it still says "Initialising".

If I remove scheduling on the Wallbox, and just connect the cable, the car charges fine.

Any advice, please?

Ken
 
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I find that sometimes the pins don't quite connect this is easier to spot when you plug the car in without timing set. I do that maje sure all is connected then disable my charger and set it to timed charging
 
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I have a zappi and use the timed charging settings on that and have never used the car settings. That charges fine during the specified times on the charger. The car says initialising when the lead us plugged in until the timer kicks in.
 
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I'm also new to an I-Pace and electric cars so I have very limited experience. But I have the same Pulsar Plus charger as you.

The first time I tried a timed charge it failed and the only reason I could think of was that I had set the Protection by Autolock to On (in Advanced Options in the app). I assumed it would automatically unlock when the Scheduled Charge time was reached and then lock again afterwards. I have now turned off the Autolock and the charger has worked perfectly every time. When I disconnect in the morning I set the lock on manually.

I might be wrong but it's an easy check anyway.
 
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AndyP I checked that and Protection by Autolock is switched off.

I would obviously prefer not to have to mess around with setting time on car too, so am interested how you got the Wallbox scheduling on its own. Can you share your precise Wallbox app settings? Also, do you have ANY charging settings set in the car? Do you just attach cable and Wallbox starts charging and stops on its own schedule?
 
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KenNI said:
AndyP I checked that and Protection by Autolock is switched off.

I would obviously prefer not to have to mess around with setting time on car too, so am interested how you got the Wallbox scheduling on its own. Can you share your precise Wallbox app settings? Also, do you have ANY charging settings set in the car? Do you just attach cable and Wallbox starts charging and stops on its own schedule?
I don't have any charging settings on the car at all, in fact I've never even looked at how to do it on the car.

On the Wallbox app I have a scheduled charge starting at 12.30am and ending at 4.30am (I'm on the Octopus Go tariff). As I only need to charge every few days I just set it for the day I want, I don't need to charge every day. Don't forget that as it's in the early hours it needs to be the next day. So tonight's charge would be Sunday morning.

When I connect the lead the WattCat shows Initialising and the light inside the charge point on the car flashes white for about a minute and then goes out. The charger ring of LEDs pulses blue. I'll attach a couple of screenshots from the app with a timed charge set for tomorrow morning. I haven't plugged the lead into the car.
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I think that the software has been updated since ADD made the video and I think the info no longer applies.
Good luck!
 
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AndyP said:
I think that the software has been updated since ADD made the video and I think the info no longer applies.
Good luck!
No, the video still applies, I have been using it now for nearly two years that way with the Wallboard Pulsar, its the only method that works for my car. I was in touch directly with Wallbox in Spain for about 4 months, we tried everything, but nothing would work so I could use the Wallbox timing on its own. Wallbox blamed JLR, JLR blamed Wallbox, I gave up with them all and just use the ADD method, its easy and works every time.

On the other hand, ADD has a Wallbox, same as mine and his works on its own no problem, go figure! ;)
 
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I checked this morning and my car had charged overnight. However, when I looked at the sessions on the Wallbox app, it looks like charging started at 7.45pm, even though the schedule was to start at 1am. Unless the Wallbox is recording it wrong?

I'm fairly certain checked the app before bedtime and it wasn't charging then. I have to do more tests.

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ChrisMc said:
AndyP said:
I think that the software has been updated since ADD made the video and I think the info no longer applies.
Good luck!
No, the video still applies, I have been using it now for nearly two years that way with the Wallboard Pulsar, its the only method that works for my car. I was in touch directly with Wallbox in Spain for about 4 months, we tried everything, but nothing would work so I could use the Wallbox timing on its own. Wallbox blamed JLR, JLR blamed Wallbox, I gave up with them all and just use the ADD method, its easy and works every time.

On the other hand, ADD has a Wallbox, same as mine and his works on its own no problem, go figure! ;)
That's very odd, and very annoying for you! I have no idea why that would be but I've only had mine a few weeks so I'm a long way from being an expert.
 
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KenNi: Very odd, maybe you'll find that, like ChrisMc, you have to do the ADD method then.
I don't understand why there are so many sessions shown on yours, mine only shows one session. But oddly mine shows the time as 21.04 on 1st April but the charge was from 00.30 to 04.30. I've got no idea what the 21.04 relates to.

I know mine charged at the correct time as it cost the correct amount ie. 30kWh @ 5p =£1.50, and as it happens I was awake at 00.30 and I heard it start charging.
 

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KenNI said:
AndyP - Very odd indeed. I'm going to do more testing tonight. Will reports back with findings.

Ken
I'll be interested to see how it goes.
Re the 21.04 showing on mine, that might have been the time I plugged it in although it would have been on March 31st ready for the charge that started at 00.30 on April 1st. It might be worth noting what time you connect the charger to the car.

Andy
 
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I seem to have multiple problems!
1) I've got the 2021 S, so I have the updated infotainment front end
2) I have a Pod Point on Octopus, so no charger programming ability
3) I have programmed optimum charge times in the car (also reflected in the Remote app - BTW, which version to you advise using?) but when I specified a departure time two days hence, it sat in initialising mode the whole time and didn't charge at all
4) The most frustrating thing is that every time I do a timed charge, it wipes my profile settings and I have to re-enter - which is doing my head in.

I love the car, but I hate the software and can't get anything out of Jag software guys to help me.

Thanks,
Ian
 
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IanW said:
I seem to have multiple problems!
1) I've got the 2021 S, so I have the updated infotainment front end
2) I have a Pod Point on Octopus, so no charger programming ability
3) I have programmed optimum charge times in the car (also reflected in the Remote app - BTW, which version to you advise using?) but when I specified a departure time two days hence, it sat in initialising mode the whole time and didn't charge at all
4) The most frustrating thing is that every time I do a timed charge, it wipes my profile settings and I have to re-enter - which is doing my head in.

I love the car, but I hate the software and can't get anything out of Jag software guys to help me.

Thanks,
Ian
Pretty sure I've read somewhere on this forum that Pod Point have added timed charging in a software update.
 
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AndyP said:
ChrisMc said:
AndyP said:
I think that the software has been updated since ADD made the video and I think the info no longer applies.
Good luck!
No, the video still applies, I have been using it now for nearly two years that way with the Wallboard Pulsar, its the only method that works for my car. I was in touch directly with Wallbox in Spain for about 4 months, we tried everything, but nothing would work so I could use the Wallbox timing on its own. Wallbox blamed JLR, JLR blamed Wallbox, I gave up with them all and just use the ADD method, its easy and works every time.

On the other hand, ADD has a Wallbox, same as mine and his works on its own no problem, go figure! ;)
That's very odd, and very annoying for you! I have no idea why that would be but I've only had mine a few weeks so I'm a long way from being an expert.
It is odd but I've given up trying to solve the problem 18months ago :( and it was very annoying for a few months back in 2019, but now I hardly care, the ADD method works 100% of the time and apart from having to get in my car most times to start it off its hardly an inconvenience, first World problems :D
 
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AndyP said:
KenNI said:
AndyP I checked that and Protection by Autolock is switched off.

I would obviously prefer not to have to mess around with setting time on car too, so am interested how you got the Wallbox scheduling on its own. Can you share your precise Wallbox app settings? Also, do you have ANY charging settings set in the car? Do you just attach cable and Wallbox starts charging and stops on its own schedule?
I don't have any charging settings on the car at all, in fact I've never even looked at how to do it on the car.

On the Wallbox app I have a scheduled charge starting at 12.30am and ending at 4.30am (I'm on the Octopus Go tariff). As I only need to charge every few days I just set it for the day I want, I don't need to charge every day. Don't forget that as it's in the early hours it needs to be the next day. So tonight's charge would be Sunday morning.

When I connect the lead the WattCat shows Initialising and the light inside the charge point on the car flashes white for about a minute and then goes out. The charger ring of LEDs pulses blue. I'll attach a couple of screenshots from the app with a timed charge set for tomorrow morning. I haven't plugged the lead into the car.
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Hello AndyP,
Do you have a 22Kw Wallbox charger? I see that you have 32 Amp set on the app.
I am thinking of installing a 22 KW charger and hence the query. If you have the 22Kw charger, how do you rate the performance of the Wallbox. Does the Ipace take the 11 kw charge well. How long does it take for recharge from 10-90%?
 
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GSipace, no I have the 7kW charger as I only have single phase. You can pull 32A on single phase ( 32A x 240v = 7.6kW). For the 22kW charger you'd need 3 phase. I'm happy with mine so far but I've only had it a few weeks. The last 4 hour charge I did added 79 miles which seemed pretty good I thought.

My I-Pace is MY19 so can only take 7kW on AC, later ones can take 11kW but I think it's only the MY21 versions.
 
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Update ... I did another test last night ... interesting result .. not quite sure what to make of it all.

1. Parked car in garage at 6.33pm. No preconditioning or departure times of any sort set on the car. Cable NOT connected. Wattcat reporting "Not charging", 79% charge state. All good, as expected. Note time 6.33pm

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2. Connect cable, it flashes white for a minute or so. Wattcat reporting 79% charged. Wattcat reporting "Initializing", 79% charge state. Again, as expected. Note time 6.36pm

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3. Checked Wallbox schedule (set a few days ago) , set to start 1am->7am. All as expected.

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4. Check Wattcat before going to bed at 11pm, still says "Initializing", 79% charge state (ie there has been no charging since I connected cable, and charging hasn't started). Again, all fine as expected.

5. Check Wattcat in morning - reporting "Full", 100% charge state. Looks like all worked great.

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6. Check Wallbox session for overnight charging. Now starts to look odd ...

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Note - I expected Wallbox session to show charging started at 1am, but it appears to have started at 6.34pm. This is NOT correct, as I checked at 11pm and charging definitely wasn't started then. The time of 6.34pm is very interesting, as that is exactly when I connected the charger to the car. Therefore, it appears that the Wallbox charging schedule worked correctly (without any timings being set in the car), BUT it is being report wrongly in the Wallbox sessions report (it reports when charger was connected, as AndyP suggested, rather than when charging started).

Also, note that charging appeared to run for 14 minutes (from 6.34pm) and then start again at 1.16am. I would suggest that charging actually started at 1.00am-ish, ran for 14 minutes, stopped (for whatever reason) and then started again at 1.16am.

One thing I can't work out .... if the car was at 79% before charging, how come the Wallbox only records 2.4kWh to get to 100% ? :? I'm a new owner and new to EV and maybe I'm missing something - any ideas?
 

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Very strange. As you say, it all seems correct although like mine the app shows the connection time rather than the actual charge start time.

But I don't understand why it shows 4 different 'events' when mine only shows 1. Also 2.4kWh to add 21% can't possibly be correct, something is wrong there. Mine added 30kWh to raise the battery by35%. I think you need someone with more knowledge than me to help, maybe ADD has some ideas? It might be worth trying Wallbox Support to explain it.

Other than that I'm jealous that yours shows 261 miles at 100% but mine only ever goes to around 230 miles, but that's a totally different subject. I assume yours is a new car.
 
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AndyP said:
But I don't understand why it shows 4 different 'events' when mine only shows 1. Also 2.4kWh to add 21% can't possibly be correct, something is wrong there. Mine added 30kWh to raise the battery by35%. I think you need someone with more knowledge than me to help, maybe ADD has some ideas? It might be worth trying Wallbox Support to explain it.
Will do. Will also ask ask about session "start" time.

AndyP said:
I assume yours is a new car.
Yes, new car. :D
 
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Update: I contacted Wallbox about the odd start time for sessions (which seemed to show the session time as when the charger was plugged in, rather than the time the scheduled charging started.)

They have confirmed my findings. I quote ..... "The times that are reflected in the sessions are the times when the EV gun was plugged in and when the EV gun was removed from the car. It is recorded in this manner. "

Bit odd, but that explains one thing anyway!
 
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Update 2: I queried earlier in this post how I could have charged from 79% -> 100% with only 2.4kWh as reported by Wallbox app. I happened to check Wallbox app just now and it has been updated, to show charge which started at 1.30am and ran for nearly 4 hours. Looks like this is missing charge report. Maybe app is only updated when you 'end' the session, by removing the cable?

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That makes sense. I'll probably charge mine tomorrow night so I'll check to see if that's what mine does.
 
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